TurretinFan asks,
It appears that your position is that genuine believers can violate certain warnings, with the consequence of such violations being hellfire. Is that correct, or is the consequence merely a return to an unsaved (but re-savable) state from a saved state?
Answer:
Varies. Denying Christ for instance will bring denial by Him, yet Peter repented of his denial and was restored. Speaking against the Spirit (Matthew 12:32) on the other hand, will never be forgiven. For some who have fallen into grievous sin, they can be 'in danger of hell fire,' but scripture indicates there's hope of God restoring backsliders who have not sinned 'unto death.'
If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. (1 John 5:16)
One can believe, yet be imperiled: the key is that salvation isn't granted in its entirety when one believes, Paul writes,
...for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. (Romans 13:11b)
While the scriptures do tell us that we who believe are saved, it also indicates that final salvation isn't obtained during earthly life:
...if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. ...Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule.... (Philippians 3:11-12, 16a)
We have to a degree attained salvation through faith, but it's ours probationally, its condition being continuance in Christ; final salvation is not attained until one has endured to the end. Romans 2 expresses that it is granted at the judgment,
"But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who "will render to each one according to his deeds": eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath...." (Romans 2:5-8)
Hence while we already possess eternal life in a sense (1 John 5:13), it is not contradictory to call it the 'hope of eternal life' (Titus 1:2) or to exhort a fellow believer to 'lay hold' on it (1 Timothy 6:12). Additionally, if eternal life were fully and finally ours now, then neglect thereof would be a non-issue,
Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation...? (Hebrews 2:1-3)
From the scriptural record then, some fall into sin, but are brought back; while the completely apostatized are "twice dead, plucked up by the roots" (Jude 12).
Friday, August 15, 2008
Fourth Answer from Affirmative
Posted by Turretinfan at 4:03 PM
Labels: Affirmative, Answer, Cross-Examination Round 4, Genuine Christian Apostasy Debate
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